We have a local bike rep named Dick Brink. and there was a technician at work named Richard Woodcock.
I'll drop and do 20 for the thread drift.
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I'm 30 hours past Moderna shot 2 and other than a mild shoulder soreness and maybe a little fatigue (I do love a good nap most days anyway) it has been a non-event.
And for the 9 year olds: What's the difference between roast beef and pea soup?
Anyone can Roast Beef.
I'm sure if the Woodcock-Johnson test was applied to some of the d*cks running this country, the results would probably not be flattering.
Now, Australia has done pretty well at containing Covid-19, a few hiccups aside. With vaccination, not so good. The vaccination program started in late-February with the aim of having everyone vaccinated by October. Sometime in March we were falling well behind the required targets. Some bright sparks in the Federal Government decided to blame the States. The States got grumpy and much finger pointing ensued. Then the EU got blamed. Then there was a press conference and the whole thing just seems like another instance of the "I don't hold a hose mate" (see here for details...https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-...liday/11817356) notion of leadership and responsibility. In any event, the vaccination program has now been turned upside down with the incidence of clotting ruling out the Astra Zeneca vaccine for those under 50. We now have to switch to Pfizer vaccine and as that is made off-shore there will be the inevitable problem of sourcing it in sufficient numbers to vaccinate everyone under 50.
I think my in-laws have or about to be vaccinated, my parents haven't and myself and my partner were looking at July at some stage, but with this latest development, that timeline is going to be blown out considerably.
Following up with my daughter's experience with vaccination number two. No initial reaction, but her arm started getting sore about 6-8 hours post-vaccination with peak pain at the 12 hour mark. She said it wasn't terrible, just annoying. It didn't affect her falling asleep that night. What did affect her were the cold-like symptoms that appeared overnight. She woke up at the 15 hour mark with mild fever, headache, and general "achy-ness". She was able to get back to sleep and by morning, she was left with just a dull headache. The headache persisted until about 36 hours after vaccination. She had a good, uninterrupted night's sleep and woke up this morning feeling 100% normal. Hope this is helpful for other petite persons who are planning or thinking about getting the vaccine!
Greg
A friend who is well known for doubting things like terminal velocity and the speed of objects in a vacuum has latched hard onto mRNA as evidence of genetic engineered reprogramming of the body at the cellular level and cannot be bothered to read the actual science and he is slowly but surely breaking his wife's heart who is vaccinated and wants him to be vaccinated because he works in contact with clients (custom metal fabrication in fancy kitchens high dollar clients) and I am just so completely over pigheadedness that I kind of hope he steps off a curb and gets blindsided by a truck except that it would be really sad and he's actually a good guy and his wife is terrific and deserves better from him so he better stay around long enough to come to his senses.
As a simplified statement he is not wrong. The issue you need to discuss with him is whether this is necessarily bad. Let's say a person had a form of non-hodgkin lymphoma which was not responding to convential treatment, and CAR-T was your last chance? You are reprogramming your body to recognize the cancer and attack it. Would he be willing to undergoe treatment or would he prefer to die? Simple case.
it always amazes me that functional married couples can exist with fundamental ideologic differences like that. voting for trump, deciding not to vaccinate, picking sram over campy, etc. how can a partnership like a marriage work when people cant come together on big issues like this. i dont get it.
that said, if he's your pal, you probably dont really want him to get hit by a truck just because he's refusing to get vaccinated right? if that thought even crosses your mind it probably means you're too emotionally invested in his decision and you should probably step away for your own mental sanity, especially if it sounds like there is about zero chance of changing his mind.
This is what's troubling me. Several family members and close friends have given in completely to conspiracy theories, vaccine and otherwise. It's caused a significant split in my wife's family, with effects that are likely permanent. My daughter and I have spoken about the subject at length. Her attitude has been to "live and let live" about the lies and stupidity up to a point - but when the stupidity becomes dangerous, then a line has been crossed. If someone wants to to believe the conspiracy theories and live in a fantasy world, that's their choice. The problem is when their beliefs become a danger to those around them. COVID denialism and refusal to vaccinate endangers the denier, their associates, and the population in general. Misinformation and lies is a danger to our entire world. How does one reconcile lifelong friendships and family relationships with blatant lies?
Greg
I think you answered your own question. A partnership with these kinds of fundamental differences is not functional. Unfortunately, I'm living this experience right now. It's heartbreaking to watch a formerly logical human being become overcome by fear and turn to conspiracy theories and tribalism for support. In our current socio-political climate, I don't think these problems can be fixed.
Greg
He would likely refuse the CAR-T. He's never happier than when he can convince himself that he is the smartest person in the room. His problem is that he conflates doubt with intelligence.
He is never totally wrong. There is truth in everything he argues about. But it is agenda driven to reaffirm his own intelligence to himself in situations where he is least secure.
No I don't. But he is tiring. Brilliant guy, finished high school, amazing metal fabricator, reads like a maniac, financially successful - but he goes off the tracks, specifically when he feels like someone is telling him what to do, especially if those people are at least presented as being smarter than he is. Or he perceives the situation as such. So he has to show that they aren't as smart as everyone thinks they are, that he sees all the holes in their ideas, etc. He's never not rational and clear headed. He's just human in frustrating ways.
Sounds like someone with significant insecurities. Very human and very common. We see it in these OT threads all the time. A secure person tries to logically articulate their arguments and then have a rational discussion. An insecure person constantly looks for an argument and devolves to personal attacks when threatened. Unfortunately, just part of the human condition/experience.
Greg
Just got my 2nd Moderna jab...arm hurts, blood everywhere and I’m seeing double. Other than that, all went well.
I just read this totally, utterly inspiring profile of one of the scientists responsible for this devastatingly effective new medical technology: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/08/h...na-kariko.html
Wow wow wow. Thank you Dr. Kariko!
Easy peasy as I posted in jest...after the 1st jab I had a runny nose, a sore arm for two days and chills for a day. Then it was like a switch went off and all of the symptoms stopped. I’ll keep you posted on this one...so far, just a little soreness around the shot and I took a preemptive Motrin and drank a ton of H2O.
Lump Canada into that bucket as well. While there was some early wins, from where I stand our national and provincial policies have been atrocious for at least the last 9 months, as evidenced by the current 3rd wave infection numbers and lockdowns in BC and Ontario (not to mention the rest of the country). It's been amazing to see what a change in leadership and a strong focus on vaccinations accomplished in the US, in terms of vaccination and infection numbers.
https://i.imgur.com/iaiof1s.jpg
Source: https://www.macleans.ca/news/canada-...n-coming-days/
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EyfeFJdX...ng&name=medium
source: https://twitter.com/trevortombe/stat...15994254639104
That ought to wipe that smug look off our collective faces and maybe spring our ineffective/lazy government into action. If there's one thing that gets Canadians riled up, it's under-performing the US in healthcare...
We have a close family member's daughter in Colorado who was set to be married last summer and had to postpone her marriage ceremony a few times but recently settled on a May date. I had really been looking forward to introducing my daughter to that side of the family, but at this rate the likelihood of me being vaccinated and/or the border being re-opened by then is looking pretty slim.
Happy to say I got my one-and-done of Johnson & Johnson yesterday. A little stiffness and soreness today, but I went for a ride right after. The physical vaccination site was super well organized and staffed. I was able to get the online registration system to work satisfactorily, but it really isn't intuitive - certainly favors people who deal with this stuff daily and can try different strategies.
My wife and I separated a year ago. We live six miles apart. Continue to manage our joint affairs without undue acrimony- we have passed that stage. She says she won't get the Covid vaccine, or Shingrix, or the pneumonia vaccine. I am hoping she changes her mind because it will be very unpleasant should she get sick.
I will get my first shot tomorrow.
Adding a data point to the list:
I got my first (Pfizer) vaccine shot on Tuesday (so, just over three days ago). The only significant hassle was that I had to drive 90 minutes to Mexico (MO) to get it.
Only noticeable side-effect was local muscular pain starting shortly after my workout later that evening. I still felt it a bit the next morning, but nothing significant.
I may have had a very, very, very slight headache, but only because I was looking for it. It was far below the threshold of being significant.
There was no wait at all, and from the time I parked my car to the time I was sitting down for the 15-minute post-shot safety wait, was 5 minutes max.
I was automatically signed up for the booster 3 weeks later, same bat-time, same bat-channel.
So, other than having to drive nearly halfway across the state to get it, everything worked out as well as one might hope.
Edit: The irony of my having to drive there to get the shot is that the key building-blocks of the Pfizer vaccine start at the Pfizer facility in Chesterfield MO, which I drive by (on the highway) just about every day. It starts here in MO, is then shipped to Andover MA, then finally to Kalamazoo MI where the finishing touches are applied and it's bottled for end-use.
https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/me...ric-mexico.jpg
My daughter’s college just gave her her first Moderna shot this week.
My wife and son received the J & J vaccine last week.
I was vaccinated in December.
It feels good to have everyone protected.
My first Pfizer shot had some localized muscle pain for a few hours and the beginning of feeling like the flu for 2 hours in the evening. That completely disappeared.
For my second shot I had some muscle pain and that was it. No effects at all. Really happy with that.
NYS has an app, NYS Wallet and after 14 days from your vaccine you confirm the MAC address of the microchip they injected, they download a QR code and for 6 months it works to get you into concerts or on a plane. Why they can't set everybody up with chip readers I don't understand.
Had the second Moderna stick on Wednesday at a local pharmacy in Rye. Arm slightly sore, and tired--which is a good, means my immune system is working.
Bob M
My wife and I both got our second Pfizer vac three weeks ago, neither of us experienced ill effects other than sore arms and feeling(more than usual) a bit tired for a day or two, first shot was only very mild soreness at the injection site for a day.
Because the people in the vaccine trials started six months ago and are still testing positive for antibodies. When they hit eight months, I bet these things get updated to eight months. Six months is about all the data we have at the moment.
We did a vaccination event at work yesterday. Any employee that wanted a shot could get one. They offered me my second shot, but I'm sticking with my appointment on Tuesday at the VA for my second one. If it's going to leave me feeling tired and a wee bit sick, I'd rather have that midweek than on the weekend. My son gets his second next week as well. He had covid, the first shot messed with him for a day.
fwiw, back in December when this thread was started I voted No in the poll, because I was very concerned that these vaccines were getting rushed to market as a political tool, and might possibly be side-stepping the usual testing, vetting, and peer-reviewing that typically accompanies a new drug's commercial release.
But it took so fcuking long for the vaccines to be made available to my category that I got it as soon as I was eligible*. Hey, most of those front-line workers and over-65-year-olds who got it three or four months before I was eligible didn't die, so... :::shrugs:::
Just got my 2nd does yesterday. "SERENITY NOW!"
*(Well, as soon as I could make an appointment after I was eligible, which added another couple weeks to the wait.)
Had my first today.
A friend of a friend thought he'd wait to see whether the vaccine was effective. Over the advice of the former he flew to Turkey to see his wife. He died in a Turkish hospital. She survived.
Two weeks after the second I will go to CA to see a few relatives while there is still time, given their ages and health profiles.
4 people in my office have tested positive since I got my first shot (Wednesday). 3 of the 4 engage closely numerous times a day. The 4th is a baseball dad whose kid has been playing in tournaments. He got his shot a day before me. His whole family tested positive. Maybe more appropriate for the other thread, but I’m not really sure how I feel about this. I’ve been taking my temps since day 2 post-shot (Friday) and have seen everything from 97.6 to 100.1. Day 2 had a cough, but that has tapered. No other symptoms, but the temp thing is annoying me, so I’ll be going to get a test tomorrow.
Chin up.
Story about the gent who founded the website Vaccine Spotter and a link to the site for those who are seeking an appointment.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/11/us/va...ent/index.html
https://www.vaccinespotter.org/PA/?zip=15215&radius=10
You might be able to save yourself a drive: the vaccination event they are doing at the Dome is doing second shots. Got my first shot in Cape Girardeau, then was able to get my second shot Friday at the Dome, saving 4 hours in the car. Really well run by the Navy. At some point that site is going to switch from Pfizer to J&J, so it may happen before your three weeks are up.
Thanks for the Head's Up. How does someone register for those? I assume it's somewhere on the web.
(My single biggest complaint about the whole vaccination thing is that there is no one central web-based site for all (or even just most) vaccination activities in a given area.)
Edit: Cape - that was quite a drive for you. At work there are lots of stories about people driving all over the place to get theirs.