The Vaccine Thread

[beeatnik]

^12k cases on Dec 8. Yikes.

[davids]

Here in AZ, we're making a solid run towards herd immunity before the vaccine.

Makes sense to me.

And to Senator Paul, who's arguing that you get better immunity via "Natural Immunity" than from the vaccine.

So you get better protection from getting COVID-19 by getting COVID-19.

It astounds me that anyone even needs to rebut this level of idiocy.

[Too Tall]

Sorry to hear this Bill. Our trailer is your trailer. Just don't take the last beer and we are good.

[bigbill]

Sorry to hear this Bill. Our trailer is your trailer. Just don't take the last beer and we are good.

Home-work-home is my schedule five days a week. I grocery shop first thing in the am on the weekend. I bought a house 20 minutes east of town in a small community with a golf course and lots of snowbirds. It is as isolated as I can get on the grid although I get my internet through a dish. The GF and I have been laying low with the exception of her art work and equestrian practice. She teaches her art history classes on line and I do all my grad stuff on line. I'm really bummed that graduation in June is now virtual. I didn't get to walk across the stage for my BS, I really wanted to do it for my MA.

On the plus side, my M-spike is low so I'm on 3 month intervals with the Oncologist via labwork and telemed.

[rec head]

UK probing if allergic reactions linked to Pfizer vaccine

"In the meantime, the regulator [UK's MHRA - Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency] has issued the warning for anyone who has had a significant allergic reaction to a vaccine, medicine or food. That includes anyone who has been told to carry an adrenaline shot or others who have had potentially fatal allergic reactions."

Is this true for all vaccines for people with severe allergies?

[Will Neide]

Dr. Offit, who is on the FDA advisory panel, and Z Dogg MD do a very thorough Q&A. I highly recommend viewing this.

[vertical_doug]

Is this true for all vaccines for people with severe allergies?

No. traditional vaccines usually deliver a weakened/dead virus which allows the body to developed an immune response. The new mRNA based vaccines are introducing a piece of RNA which mimics a vulnerability of the virus and allows the body to build an immune response. However, the delivery mechanism (delivery molecule) for the mRNA can cause it's own immune response which can mimic an allergic reaction. This is why for some other therapies using mRNA, steroids, antihistamines are prescribed. You can see hATTR which was one of the first mRNA therapies where this is an issue. I would think this is something the people at Pfizer and Moderna expected as a possibility. It's not a show stopper.

I'd think you can just take some benadryl before your shot and be okay. When my number comes up, I'll just pop some prednisone, take a benadryl, and keep my epipen handy.

[rec head]

Thanks for the great explanation.

[rwsaunders]

I see no reason that people with a complete disregard for other people’s safety, have a right to be vaccinated. They kept panning to shot of the QB’s parents and family during the LSU-Florida game last evening and the Mother didn’t even pretend to wear a mask, nor did her youngest son...at least Dad acted like he cared and had a gaiter (no pun intended) around his neck...unreal.

[Clean39T]

I see no reason that people with a complete disregard for other people’s safety, have a right to be vaccinated. They kept panning to shot of the QB’s parents and family during the LSU-Florida game last evening and the Mother didn’t even pretend to wear a mask, nor did her youngest son...at least Dad acted like he cared and had a gaiter (no pun intended) around his neck...unreal.

I'd be with you if we could banish them all to a leper colony where they could only get services and treatment and interact with their anti-mask kin.

Of course that won't happen. So these selfish idiots will continue to take away my and others' freedom to live in safety by their cowardly unwillingness to live by the social contract. So let's just call them what they are: terrorists. That smiling mom and doofus kid are terrorists. They are no different than the Taliban. Their idiocity threatens the lives of others. Their fanaticism makes the world unsafe for normal Americans. That is terrorism.

[beeatnik]

^For me it's not the mask thing. Living in a place that has seen universal mask usage for the last 7 months, with two surges, with the highest case rates of any major urban region in the United States, I can't see masks as the panacea. My wife's office is managing a secret outbreak. Secret because they've decided not to treat it as an outbreak in terms of quarantine protocols and County reporting (outbreak is 3 or more cases in a single location). All three individuals wear masks at all times in their office; all three were wearing masks when in contact with each other. Anyway, they should have cancelled the season.

[Christian Fox]

I'd be with you if we could banish them all to a leper colony where they could only get services and treatment and interact with their anti-mask kin.

Of course that won't happen. So these selfish idiots will continue to take away my and others' freedom to live in safety by their cowardly unwillingness to live by the social contract. So let's just call them what they are: terrorists. That smiling mom and doofus kid are terrorists. They are no different than the Taliban. Their idiocity threatens the lives of others. Their fanaticism makes the world unsafe for normal Americans. That is terrorism.

Jesus dude, they are in a mostly empty stadium, surrounded family or other players' families they know. I think if the people around them were terrified of the "terrorists" they wouldn't be snapping pics with their phones. I'm sure they wore masks when they went to their seats. Fucking Fauci went maskless at the Nationals game after he threw out that sad, sad first pitch.

[Too Tall]

We all suk. and every mother lovin' one of us, young / old / dumbasses / smarties alike need to be vaccinated without bias full stop.

*that was one of the lamest pitches ever. Will make for excellent cocktail time derision.

[rwsaunders]

Jesus dude, they are in a mostly empty stadium, surrounded family or other players' families they know. I think if the people around them were terrified of the "terrorists" they wouldn't be snapping pics with their phones. I'm sure they wore masks when they went to their seats. Fucking Fauci went maskless at the Nationals game after he threw out that sad, sad first pitch.

GAINESVILLE, Fla. - The Florida football team will close their 2020 regular season home schedule Saturday when they host the LSU Tigers at 7 p.m. ET inside Ben Hill Griffin Stadium. Fans planning to attend Saturday's matchup should be aware of the university's rules established in accordance with campus guidelines as part of the efforts to mitigate the risks associated with the COVID-19 pandemic. Ben Hill Griffin Stadium will be at 20% capacity (+/-17,000) for Saturday's game and fans will be required to social distance themselves with members not in the same household and to wear face coverings at all times when possible. Per the SEC, signage with specific guidelines will be available at all gates and entry points. Florida's full gameday information can be found here.

I read in the official notice from UF that you are to wear your mask at the stadium at all times when possible, whatever “when possible” means...those folks might have a mask in their pockets or up their arses for what its worth.

[Clean39T]

Jesus dude, they are in a mostly empty stadium, surrounded family or other players' families they know. I think if the people around them were terrified of the "terrorists" they wouldn't be snapping pics with their phones. I'm sure they wore masks when they went to their seats. Fucking Fauci went maskless at the Nationals game after he threw out that sad, sad first pitch.

Rhetorical hyperbole to make a point. These people - the anti-maskers, the it's-just-the-flu and we-gotta-have-our-football/restaurants/churches crowd - are in their zealotry impinging on the freedom of the citizens of the rest of the country to live safe, healthy lives and are subjecting the working class and front-line'rs to mortality risks they shouldn't have to bear.

And that is to say nothing of the idiots threatening state legislators and governors and private citizens. With that crowd, it isn't hyperbole. They should be treated just like any other enemy of the state or violent criminal - locked up until they are no longer a threat to others and can figure out how to live within the social contract the rest of us adhere to...

[Dave Thompson]

A point of reference: as of today, December 13, there have been 303,000 COVID deaths in the U.S. The total U.S. combat deaths in ALL the wars we participated in during the last 200+ years, starting with the Revolutionary War, is 666,000. We are on track to reach that number well before the end of next year.

Not wearing a mask? Un-American I posit.

[beeatnik]

A point of reference: as of today, December 13, there have been 303,000 COVID deaths in the U.S. The total U.S. combat deaths in ALL the wars we participated in during the last 200+ years, starting with the Revolutionary War, is 666,000. We are on track to reach that number well before the end of next year.

Not wearing a mask? Un-American I posit.

American Exceptionalism...kind of.

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea
As of 13 December 2020, 14 959 949 cases have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK: France (2 365 319), United Kingdom (1 830 956), Italy (1 825 775), Spain (1 730 575), Germany (1 320 716), Poland (1 126 700), Belgium (603 023), Netherlands (602 878), Czechia (579 079), Romania (551 900), Portugal (344 700), Sweden (320 098), Austria (317 031), Hungary (280 400), Bulgaria (178 952), Croatia (172 523), Slovakia (127 087), Greece (123 842), Denmark (107 116), Slovenia (95 481), Lithuania (93 101), Ireland (75 756), Luxembourg (40 755), Norway (40 022), Finland (30 450), Latvia (25 046), Estonia (17 713), Cyprus (14 800), Malta (11 101), Iceland (5 552) and Liechtenstein (1 502).

As of 13 December 2020, 372 965 deaths have been reported in the EU/EEA and the UK: Italy (64 036), United Kingdom (64 026), France (57 761), Spain (47 624), Poland (22 676), Germany (21 787), Belgium (17 792), Romania (13 264), Netherlands (10 005), Czechia (9 535), Sweden (7 514), Hungary (6 965), Bulgaria (5 626), Portugal (5 461), Austria (4 355), Greece (3 540), Croatia (2 562), Ireland (2 123), Slovenia (1 448), Slovakia (1 122), Denmark (935), Lithuania (815), Finland (453), Luxembourg (392), Norway (387), Latvia (324), Malta (166), Estonia (148), Cyprus (77), Iceland (28) and Liechtenstein (18).

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...avirus-deaths/
As of December 11 2020, a total of 466.6 thousand people have died due to the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic in Latin America and the Caribbean. The country with the highest number was Brazil, reporting more than 179 thousand deaths.
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[Paul Jacobs]

'New variant' of coronavirus identified

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55308211

"Over the last few days, thanks to our world-class genomic capability in the UK, we have identified a new variant of coronavirus which may be associated with the faster spread in the South of England."
"Initial analysis suggests that this variant is growing faster than the existing variants. We've currently identified over 1,000 cases with this variant predominantly in the south of England although cases have been identified in nearly 60 different local authority areas. And numbers are increasing rapidly."
"I must stress at this point that there is currently nothing to suggest that this variant is more likely to cause serious disease and the latest clinical advice is that it's highly unlikely that this mutation would fail to respond to a vaccine, but it shows we've got to be vigilant and follow the rules and everyone needs to take personal responsibility not to spread this virus."

[Mabouya]

I have a stupid question about the C-19 vaccine:

As best I can recall, every single time I've gotten a flu shot I was sitting in a chair, and the person administering the the injection was also sitting down. However, just about every image I've seen in the news lately (mostly from the shots being given in the UK, and starting today in the US) has shown the nurse or doctor standing and bending over to give the injection. Is this just a coincidence, is my memory playing tricks on me, or is there really a difference here?

Example from a picture in the NYT today - this nurse was one of the very first people in the US to receive the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine.

[ColonelJLloyd]

I don't recall ever having a nurse sit down to give me an injection.