-- over 50% honeybee colonies lost past year in usa.....

[ron l edmiston]

-- a number of factors contributed, but major killer is stress, fungus, mites and pesticides.. "human injected.."
we loose the bee and cross pollination --- WE DIE.., over 1/3 of what enters our mouth is from the "leg-crafting honeybee.."

ronnie loving my honey on a english muffin/bagel, toasted with a smile

[shrodinger]

Does this mean that before 1600 when the Honeybee didnt exist in Northern USA there was no life? As the Honeybee was never native there

Another little known fact 90 percent of bees do not live in colonies, they live a solitary life, in Europe there are over 200 varieties of bee alone that live on their own.

[NYCfixie]

Morgan Freeman Converted His 124 Acre Ranch Into A Bee Sanctuary To Help Save The Bees

[monadnocky]

Does this mean that before 1600 when the Honeybee didnt exist in Northern USA there was no life? As the Honeybee was never native there

Another little known fact 90 percent of bees do not live in colonies, they live a solitary life, in Europe there are over 200 varieties of bee alone that live on their own.

The issue isn't this, really. It's that for many crops, large-scale farming requires a massive injection of hive-dwelling honeybees for pollination purposes. Solitary honeybees can pollinate crops, but not terribly effectively, certainly nowhere near the scale that commercial hives can.

How many people inhabited the landmass of the USA in 1600? How many now? We need (commercial hive) honeybees. Otherwise, get used to a very bland diet.

[shrodinger]

The issue isn't this, really. It's that for many crops, large-scale farming requires a massive injection of hive-dwelling honeybees for pollination purposes. Solitary honeybees can pollinate crops, but not terribly effectively, certainly nowhere near the scale that commercial hives can.

How many people inhabited the landmass of the USA in 1600? How many now? We need (commercial hive) honeybees. Otherwise, get used to a very bland diet.

And here is the problem. It is man made . Bees did exist in North America theoretically millions of years before, and the theory is they died out , a type of pre human colony collapse.

The issue of pollination is not relevant as pollination occurs every day and has for much longer than our existence on many differnt types of plant by many more creatures than Bees it is the supply and demand of food, the scale is a human issue and humans have a knack of screwing? the balance of things up then complaining when its too late. The Diet of a few hundred years ago was indeed bland and a few thousand years ago was even more bland?

Maybe there will be some giant stone heads constructed in our memory on an island as a warning for other life to discover in the evolutionary timeline.

Mother nature is not compassionate if world wars are started because of food shortages it will be a product of our own making not because the qty of bees was outnumbered by human insatiable desire to consume as many resources as they can without taking others into account

[colker]

Blame it on disc brakes.

[monadnocky]

^^^ I don't know if I necessarily disagree with the broader points, but in order to support 320 million people, the fact of the matter is that we require industrialization of hive honeybees, just as we require massive amounts of fertilizer, single-crop farming on a massive scale, huge injections of fossil fuels to support farming, commoditization of protein, and other things that are ecologically nightmarish. So, yeah, unless we're ready as a people to accept a very different diet, the issue really is pollination.

And not just on a large scale... my neighbor who owns a fruit orchard certainly requires healthy hives as well... she's still waiting to see what effect the recent frost is going to have...

[shrodinger]

^^^ No Science will simply genetically modify and eliminate the process, people in big industry will get rich and the poor will starve

The world will continue to turn until the next tipping point where our instinct for survival trancends all other factors. It may be a sad viewpoint but it is not in our nature as a species to change

I must now watch Eurovision song contest,

[joosttx]

^^^ No Science will simply genetically modify and eliminate the process, people in big industry will get rich and the poor will starve

The world will continue to turn until the next tipping point where our instinct for survival trancends all other factors. It may be a sad viewpoint but it is not in our nature as a species to change

I must now watch Eurovision song contest,

"Always that same old story— Father Time and Mother Earth, A marriage on the rocks. " James Merrill

Global malnutrition has been on the decline for a while now by every metric I have seen. You are right, we willl adapt. Thats not a bad thing considering the alternative is to reduce the population.

[Saab2000]

Thats not a bad thing considering the alternative is to reduce the population.

Endless population growth is not sustainable. I'm not a glass half empty guy here but at some point, something gives. Resources and the Earth's ability to absorb abuse reach a tipping point at some point in time.

You hit the nail on the head. How to do this is a complex question.

Shrodinger is watching Eurovision's song contest. I'm going for a bike ride. It's freaking cold and windy and unpleasant in the Twin Cities right now and I'm kind of grumpy about that. A short spin will help I think.

[colker]

Endless population growth is not sustainable. I'm not a glass half empty guy here but at some point, something gives. Resources and the Earth's ability to absorb abuse reach a tipping point at some point in time.

You hit the nail on the head. How to do this is a complex question.

Shrodinger is watching Eurovision's song contest. I'm going for a bike ride. It's freaking cold and windy and unpleasant in the Twin Cities right now and I'm kind of grumpy about that. A short spin will help I think.

we are still far from the tipping point though when we get there, conditions will decay very fast.

[joosttx]

Dont worry Im working on the problem

Endless population growth is not sustainable. I'm not a glass half empty guy here but at some point, something gives. Resources and the Earth's ability to absorb abuse reach a tipping point at some point in time.

You hit the nail on the head. How to do this is a complex question.

Shrodinger is watching Eurovision's song contest. I'm going for a bike ride. It's freaking cold and windy and unpleasant in the Twin Cities right now and I'm kind of grumpy about that. A short spin will help I think.

[Bewheels]

Dont worry Im working on the problem

No pressure, but can you hurry up?

[false_aesthetic]

we are still far from the tipping point

I'm honestly curious about one can say that. It's 100% not my field but I imagine this type of thing to be so complex that identifying the tipping point will be left to galactic archaeologists asking the question "Why the fuck did these stupid things ruin it for themselves?" long, long after we're gone.

[colker]

I'm honestly curious about one can say that. It's 100% not my field but I imagine this type of thing to be so complex that identifying the tipping point will be left to galactic archaeologists asking the question "Why the fuck did these stupid things ruin it for themselves?" long, long after we're gone.

We are far away from a rationalized, controlled energy way of life and there is still a lot of vigorous movement going on nature. Oceans, forests, volcanos, rain seasons... it's all happening. Nature is still expanding.
We can't see the point when the natural recession starts and we are still far from imposing control and restrictions on China and Africa on how they they extract resources and manufacture goods. I see it as a sign of relative safety or there would be huge controlling in place.

[MisterMo]

Define "far". Far, as in the history of the globe? Far, as in the history of civilization? A few hundred years, if it turns out to be that, really isn't that far. And if one believes Moore's Law applies to technological change in society, it may not even be 100 years.

I've got two beehives because I'm interested in bees. Yes, it's really hard to keep them alive.

[vertical_doug]

And here is the problem. It is man made . Bees did exist in North America theoretically millions of years before, and the theory is they died out , a type of pre human colony collapse.

The issue of pollination is not relevant as pollination occurs every day and has for much longer than our existence on many differnt types of plant by many more creatures than Bees it is the supply and demand of food, the scale is a human issue and humans have a knack of screwing? the balance of things up then complaining when its too late. The Diet of a few hundred years ago was indeed bland and a few thousand years ago was even more bland?

Maybe there will be some giant stone heads constructed in our memory on an island as a warning for other life to discover in the evolutionary timeline.

Mother nature is not compassionate if world wars are started because of food shortages it will be a product of our own making not because the qty of bees was outnumbered by human insatiable desire to consume as many resources as they can without taking others into account

I think there are about 4,000 species of bees native to North America. The honey bee just wasn't one.

I posted this series before from the Star Tribune in Mpls on Bees. Modern agriculture is actually a desert of green.

New threats to honeybees put U.S. food supply at risk | Star Tribune

4 part series

[joosttx]

I think there are about 4,000 species of bees native to North America. The honey bee just wasn't one.

I posted this series before from the Star Tribune in Mpls on Bees. Modern agriculture is actually a desert of green.

New threats to honeybees put U.S. food supply at risk | Star Tribune

4 part series

I think what he was referring to was the discovery of a bee-like fossil that was found in the US. It dated back to like 14 million years ago. Engel (?) a professor from KU (?) id it in the genre of Apis. The big tell was it had hairy eyes. Prior to that there was no apis in the USA . I could bee wrong though as this is my recollection.


My recollection is pretty good:: Fossil shows first all-American honeybee | Science News

[ron l edmiston]

-- swarms of killer bees just took over a section of concord, a northern calf town..
overpowered/ran off the honeybees and many local "stings from the mafia wings.."

"i see a bad moon rising..,"

ccr & ronnie