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    I posted this across the hall, but will cross post here since it is a pretty entertaining piece from outside and also informative, illustrating how quickly things can go downhill.

    Entertaining and informative piece from OUTSIDE:

    be careful out there folks, a reminder it can all happen pretty quickly.

    Frozen Alive | Outside Online

    When your Jeep spins lazily off the mountain road and slams backward into a snowbank, you don’t worry immediately about the cold. Your first thought is that you’ve just dented your bumper. Your second is that you’ve failed to bring a shovel. Your third is that you’ll be late for dinner. Friends are expecting you at their cabin around eight for a moonlight ski, a late dinner, a sauna. Nothing can keep you from that.

    Driving out of town, defroster roaring, you barely noted the bank thermometer on the town square: minus 27 degrees at 6:36. The radio weather report warned of a deep mass of arctic air settling over the region. The man who took your money at the Conoco station shook his head at the register and said he wouldn’t be going anywhere tonight if he were you. You smiled. A little chill never hurt anybody with enough fleece and a good four-wheel-drive.

    But now you’re stuck. Jamming the gearshift into low, you try to muscle out of the drift. The tires whine on ice-slicked snow as headlights dance on the curtain of frosted firs across the road. Shoving the lever back into park, you shoulder open the door and step from your heated capsule. Cold slaps your naked face, squeezes tears from your eyes.


    You check your watch: 7:18. You consult your map: A thin, switchbacking line snakes up the mountain to the penciled square that marks the cabin.

    Breath rolls from you in short frosted puffs. The Jeep lies cocked sideways in the snowbank like an empty turtle shell. You think of firelight and saunas and warm food and wine. You look again at the map. It’s maybe five or six miles more to that penciled square. You run that far every day before breakfast. You’ll just put on your skis. No problem.


    There is no precise core temperature at which the human body perishes from cold. At Dachau’s cold-water immersion baths, Nazi doctors calculated death to arrive at around 77 degrees Fahrenheit. The lowest recorded core temperature in a surviving adult is 60.8 degrees. For a child it’s lower: In 1994, a two-year-old girl in Saskatchewan wandered out of her house into a minus-40 night. She was found near her doorstep the next morning, limbs frozen solid, her core temperature 57 degrees. She lived.

    Others are less fortunate, even in much milder conditions. One of Europe’s worst weather disasters occurred during a 1964 competitive walk on a windy, rainy English moor; three of the racers died from hypothermia, though temperatures never fell below freezing and ranged as high as 45.

    But for all scientists and statisticians now know of freezing and its physiology, no one can yet predict exactly how quickly and in whom hypothermia will strike—and whether it will kill when it does. The cold remains a mystery, more prone to fell men than women, more lethal to the thin and well muscled than to those with avoirdupois, and least forgiving to the arrogant and the unaware.

    The process begins even before you leave the car, when you remove your gloves to squeeze a loose bail back into one of your ski bindings. The freezing metal bites your flesh. Your skin temperature drops.

    Within a few seconds, the palms of your hands are a chilly, painful 60 degrees. Instinctively, the web of surface capillaries on your hands constrict, sending blood coursing away from your skin and deeper into your torso. Your body is allowing your fingers to chill in order to keep its vital organs warm.

    You replace your gloves, noticing only that your fingers have numbed slightly. Then you kick boots into bindings and start up the road.

    Were you a Norwegian fisherman or Inuit hunter, both of whom frequently work gloveless in the cold, your chilled hands would open their surface capillaries periodically to allow surges of warm blood to pass into them and maintain their flexibility. This phenomenon, known as the hunter’s response, can elevate a 35-degree skin temperature to 50 degrees within seven or eight minutes.

    Other human adaptations to the cold are more mysterious. Tibetan Buddhist monks can raise the skin temperature of their hands and feet by 15 degrees through meditation. Australian aborigines, who once slept on the ground, unclothed, on near-freezing nights, would slip into a light hypothermic state, suppressing shivering until the rising sun rewarmed them.

    You have no such defenses, having spent your days at a keyboard in a climate-controlled office. Only after about ten minutes of hard climbing, as your body temperature rises, does blood start seeping back into your fingers. Sweat trickles down your sternum and spine.

    By now you’ve left the road and decided to shortcut up the forested mountainside to the road’s next switchback. Treading slowly through deep, soft snow as the full moon hefts over a spiny ridgetop, throwing silvery bands of moonlight and shadow, you think your friends were right: It’s a beautiful night for skiing—though you admit, feeling the minus-30 air bite at your face, it’s also cold.

    After an hour, there’s still no sign of the switchback, and you’ve begun to worry. You pause to check the map. At this moment, your core temperature reaches its high: 100.8. Climbing in deep snow, you’ve generated nearly ten times as much body heat as you do when you are resting.

    As you step around to orient map to forest, you hear a metallic pop. You look down. The loose bail has disappeared from your binding. You lift your foot and your ski falls from your boot.

    You twist on your flashlight, and its cold-weakened batteries throw a yellowish circle in the snow. It’s right around here somewhere, you think, as you sift the snow through gloved fingers. Focused so intently on finding the bail, you hardly notice the frigid air pressing against your tired body and sweat-soaked clothes.

    The exertion that warmed you on the way uphill now works against you: Your exercise-dilated capillaries carry the excess heat of your core to your skin, and your wet clothing dispels it rapidly into the night. The lack of insulating fat over your muscles allows the cold to creep that much closer to your warm blood.

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    part 2

    Your temperature begins to plummet. Within 17 minutes it reaches the normal 98.6. Then it slips below.

    At 97 degrees, hunched over in your slow search, the muscles along your neck and shoulders tighten in what’s known as pre-shivering muscle tone. Sensors have signaled the temperature control center in your hypothalamus, which in turn has ordered the constriction of the entire web of surface capillaries. Your hands and feet begin to ache with cold. Ignoring the pain, you dig carefully through the snow; another ten minutes pass. Without the bail you know you’re in deep trouble.

    Finally, nearly 45 minutes later, you find the bail. You even manage to pop it back into its socket and clamp your boot into the binding. But the clammy chill that started around your skin has now wrapped deep into your body’s core.

    At 95, you’ve entered the zone of mild hypothermia. You’re now trembling violently as your body attains its maximum shivering response, an involuntary condition in which your muscles contract rapidly to generate additional body heat.

    It was a mistake, you realize, to come out on a night this cold. You should turn back. Fishing into the front pocket of your shell parka, you fumble out the map. You consulted it to get here; it should be able to guide you back to the warm car. It doesn’t occur to you in your increasingly clouded and panicky mental state that you could simply follow your tracks down the way you came.

    And after this long stop, the skiing itself has become more difficult. By the time you push off downhill, your muscles have cooled and tightened so dramatically that they no longer contract easily, and once contracted, they won’t relax. You’re locked into an ungainly, spread-armed, weak-kneed snowplow.

    Still, you manage to maneuver between stands of fir, swishing down through silvery light and pools of shadow. You’re too cold to think of the beautiful night or of the friends you had meant to see. You think only of the warm Jeep that waits for you somewhere at the bottom of the hill. Its gleaming shell is centered in your mind’s eye as you come over the crest of a small knoll. You hear the sudden whistle of wind in your ears as you gain speed. Then, before your mind can quite process what the sight means, you notice a lump in the snow ahead.

    Recognizing, slowly, the danger that you are in, you try to jam your skis to a stop. But in your panic, your balance and judgment are poor. Moments later, your ski tips plow into the buried log and you sail headfirst through the air and bellyflop into the snow.


    You lie still. There’s a dead silence in the forest, broken by the pumping of blood in your ears. Your ankle is throbbing with pain and you’ve hit your head. You’ve also lost your hat and a glove. Scratchy snow is packed down your shirt. Meltwater trickles down your neck and spine, joined soon by a thin line of blood from a small cut on your head.

    This situation, you realize with an immediate sense of panic, is serious. Scrambling to rise, you collapse in pain, your ankle crumpling beneath you.

    As you sink back into the snow, shaken, your heat begins to drain away at an alarming rate, your head alone accounting for 50 percent of the loss. The pain of the cold soon pierces your ears so sharply that you root about in the snow until you find your hat and mash it back onto your head.

    But even that little activity has been exhausting. You know you should find your glove as well, and yet you’re becoming too weary to feel any urgency. You decide to have a short rest before going on.

    An hour passes. at one point, a stray thought says you should start being scared, but fear is a concept that floats somewhere beyond your immediate reach, like that numb hand lying naked in the snow. You’ve slid into the temperature range at which cold renders the enzymes in your brain less efficient. With every one-degree drop in body temperature below 95, your cerebral metabolic rate falls off by 3 to 5 percent. When your core temperature reaches 93, amnesia nibbles at your consciousness. You check your watch: 12:58. Maybe someone will come looking for you soon. Moments later, you check again. You can’t keep the numbers in your head. You’ll remember little of what happens next.

    Your head drops back. The snow crunches softly in your ear. In the minus-35-degree air, your core temperature falls about one degree every 30 to 40 minutes, your body heat leaching out into the soft, enveloping snow. Apathy at 91 degrees. Stupor at 90.

    You’ve now crossed the boundary into profound hypothermia. By the time your core temperature has fallen to 88 degrees, your body has abandoned the urge to warm itself by shivering. Your blood is thickening like crankcase oil in a cold engine. Your oxygen consumption, a measure of your metabolic rate, has fallen by more than a quarter. Your kidneys, however, work overtime to process the fluid overload that occurred when the blood vessels in your extremities constricted and squeezed fluids toward your center. You feel a powerful urge to urinate, the only thing you feel at all.

    By 87 degrees you’ve lost the ability to recognize a familiar face, should one suddenly appear from the woods.

    At 86 degrees, your heart, its electrical impulses hampered by chilled nerve tissues, becomes arrhythmic. It now pumps less than two-thirds the normal amount of blood. The lack of oxygen and the slowing metabolism of your brain, meanwhile, begin to trigger visual and auditory hallucinations.

    You hear jingle bells. Lifting your face from your snow pillow, you realize with a surge of gladness that they’re not sleigh bells; they’re welcoming bells hanging from the door of your friends’ cabin. You knew it had to be close by. The jingling is the sound of the cabin door opening, just through the fir trees.

    Attempting to stand, you collapse in a tangle of skis and poles. That’s OK. You can crawl. It’s so close.

    Hours later, or maybe it’s minutes, you realize the cabin still sits beyond the grove of trees. You’ve crawled only a few feet. The light on your wristwatch pulses in the darkness: 5:20. Exhausted, you decide to rest your head for a moment.

    When you lift it again, you’re inside, lying on the floor before the woodstove. The fire throws off a red glow. First it’s warm; then it’s hot; then it’s searing your flesh. Your clothing has caught fire.

    At 85 degrees, those freezing to death, in a strange, anguished paroxysm, often rip off their clothes. This phenomenon, known as paradoxical undressing, is common enough that urban hypothermia victims are sometimes initially diagnosed as victims of sexual assault. Though researchers are uncertain of the cause, the most logical explanation is that shortly before loss of consciousness, the constricted blood vessels near the body’s surface suddenly dilate and produce a sensation of extreme heat against the skin.

    All you know is that you’re burning. You claw off your shell and pile sweater and fling them away.

    But then, in a final moment of clarity, you realize there’s no stove, no cabin, no friends. You’re lying alone in the bitter cold, naked from the waist up. You grasp your terrible misunderstanding, a whole series of misunderstandings, like a dream ratcheting into wrongness. You’ve shed your clothes, your car, your oil-heated house in town. Without this ingenious technology you’re simply a delicate, tropical organism whose range is restricted to a narrow sunlit band that girds the earth at the equator.

    And you’ve now ventured way beyond it.

    There’s an adage about hypothermia: “You aren’t dead until you’re warm and dead.”

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    At about 6:00 the next morning, his friends, having discovered the stalled Jeep, find him, still huddled inches from the buried log, his gloveless hand shoved into his armpit. The flesh of his limbs is waxy and stiff as old putty, his pulse nonexistent, his pupils unresponsive to light. Dead.

    But those who understand cold know that even as it deadens, it offers perverse salvation. Heat is a presence: the rapid vibrating of molecules. Cold is an absence: the damping of the vibrations. At absolute zero, minus 459.67 degrees Fahrenheit, molecular motion ceases altogether. It is this slowing that converts gases to liquids, liquids to solids, and renders solids harder. It slows bacterial growth and chemical reactions. In the human body, cold shuts down metabolism. The lungs take in less oxygen, the heart pumps less blood. Under normal temperatures, this would produce brain damage. But the chilled brain, having slowed its own metabolism, needs far less oxygen-rich blood and can, under the right circumstances, survive intact.

    Setting her ear to his chest, one of his rescuers listens intently. Seconds pass. Then, faintly, she hears a tiny sound—a single thump, so slight that it might be the sound of her own blood. She presses her ear harder to the cold flesh. Another faint thump, then another.

    The slowing that accompanies freezing is, in its way, so beneficial that it is even induced at times. Cardiologists today often use deep chilling to slow a patient’s metabolism in preparation for heart or brain surgery. In this state of near suspension, the patient’s blood flows slowly, his heart rarely beats—or in the case of those on heart-lung machines, doesn’t beat at all; death seems near. But carefully monitored, a patient can remain in this cold stasis, undamaged, for hours.

    The rescuers quickly wrap their friend’s naked torso with a spare parka, his hands with mittens, his entire body with a bivy sack. They brush snow from his pasty, frozen face. Then one snakes down through the forest to the nearest cabin. The others, left in the pre-dawn darkness, huddle against him as silence closes around them. For a moment, the woman imagines she can hear the scurrying, breathing, snoring of a world of creatures that have taken cover this frigid night beneath the thick quilt of snow.

    With a “one, two, three,” the doctor and nurses slide the man’s stiff, curled form onto a table fitted with a mattress filled with warm water which will be regularly reheated. They’d been warned that they had a profound hypothermia case coming in. Usually such victims can be straightened from their tortured fetal positions. This one can’t.

    Technicians scissor with stainless-steel shears at the man’s urine-soaked long underwear and shell pants, frozen together like corrugated cardboard. They attach heart-monitor electrodes to his chest and insert a low-temperature electronic thermometer into his rectum. Digital readings flash: 24 beats per minute and a core temperature of 79.2 degrees.

    The doctor shakes his head. He can’t remember seeing numbers so low. He’s not quite sure how to revive this man without killing him.

    In fact, many hypothermia victims die each year in the process of being rescued. In “rewarming shock,” the constricted capillaries reopen almost all at once, causing a sudden drop in blood pressure. The slightest movement can send a victim’s heart muscle into wild spasms of ventricular fibrillation. In 1980, 16 shipwrecked Danish fishermen were hauled to safety after an hour and a half in the frigid North Sea. They then walked across the deck of the rescue ship, stepped below for a hot drink, and dropped dead, all 16 of them.

    “78.9,” a technician calls out. “That’s three-tenths down.”

    The patient is now experiencing “afterdrop,” in which residual cold close to the body’s surface continues to cool the core even after the victim is removed from the outdoors.

    The doctor rapidly issues orders to his staff: intravenous administration of warm saline, the bag first heated in the microwave to 110 degrees. Elevating the core temperature of an average-size male one degree requires adding about 60 kilocalories of heat. A kilocalorie is the amount of heat needed to raise the temperature of one liter of water one degree Celsius. Since a quart of hot soup at 140 degrees offers about 30 kilocalories, the patient curled on the table would need to consume 40 quarts of chicken broth to push his core temperature up to normal. Even the warm saline, infused directly into his blood, will add only 30 kilocalories.

    Ideally, the doctor would have access to a cardiopulmonary bypass machine, with which he could pump out the victim’s blood, rewarm and oxygenate it, and pump it back in again, safely raising the core temperature as much as one degree every three minutes. But such machines are rarely available outside major urban hospitals. Here, without such equipment, the doctor must rely on other options.

    “Let’s scrub for surgery,” he calls out.


    Moments later, he’s sliding a large catheter into an incision in the man’s abdominal cavity. Warm fluid begins to flow from a suspended bag, washing through his abdomen, and draining out through another catheter placed in another incision. Prosaically, this lavage operates much like a car radiator in reverse: The solution warms the internal organs, and the warm blood in the organs is then pumped by the heart throughout the body.

    The patient’s stiff limbs begin to relax. His pulse edges up. But even so the jagged line of his heartbeat flashing across the EKG screen shows the curious dip known as a J wave, common to hypothermia patients.

    “Be ready to defibrillate,” the doctor warns the EMTs.

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    For another hour, nurses and EMTs hover around the edges of the table where the patient lies centered in a warm pool of light, as if offered up to the sun god. They check his heart. They check the heat of the mattress beneath him. They whisper to one another about the foolishness of having gone out alone tonight.

    And slowly the patient responds. Another liter of saline is added to the IV. The man’s blood pressure remains far too low, brought down by the blood flowing out to the fast-opening capillaries of his limbs. Fluid lost through perspiration and urination has reduced his blood volume. But every 15 or 20 minutes, his temperature rises another degree. The immediate danger of cardiac fibrillation lessens, as the heart and thinning blood warms. Frostbite could still cost him fingers or an earlobe. But he appears to have beaten back the worst of the frigidity.

    For the next half hour, an EMT quietly calls the readouts of the thermometer, a mantra that marks the progress of this cold-blooded proto-organism toward a state of warmer, higher consciousness.

    “90.4...
    “92.2...”

    From somewhere far away in the immense, cold darkness, you hear a faint, insistent hum. Quickly it mushrooms into a ball of sound, like a planet rushing toward you, and then it becomes a stream of words.

    A voice is calling your name.

    You don’t want to open your eyes. You sense heat and light playing against your eyelids, but beneath their warm dance a chill wells up inside you from the sunless ocean bottoms and the farthest depths of space. You are too tired even to shiver. You want only to sleep.

    “Can you hear me?”

    You force open your eyes. Lights glare overhead. Around the lights faces hover atop uniformed bodies. You try to think: You’ve been away a very long time, but where have you been?

    “You’re at the hospital. You got caught in the cold.”

    You try to nod. Your neck muscles feel rusted shut, unused for years. They respond to your command with only a slight twitch.

    “You’ll probably have amnesia,” the voice says.

    You remember the moon rising over the spiky ridgetop and skiing up toward it, toward someplace warm beneath the frozen moon. After that, nothing—only that immense coldness lodged inside you.

    “We’re trying to get a little warmth back into you,” the voice says.

    You’d nod if you could. But you can’t move. All you can feel is throbbing discomfort everywhere. Glancing down to where the pain is most biting, you notice blisters filled with clear fluid dotting your fingers, once gloveless in the snow. During the long, cold hours the tissue froze and ice crystals formed in the tiny spaces between your cells, sucking water from them, blocking the blood supply. You stare at them absently.

    “I think they’ll be fine,” a voice from overhead says. “The damage looks superficial. We expect that the blisters will break in a week or so, and the tissue should revive after that.”

    If not, you know that your fingers will eventually turn black, the color of bloodless, dead tissue. And then they will be amputated.

    But worry slips from you as another wave of exhaustion sweeps in. Slowly you drift off, dreaming of warmth, of tropical ocean wavelets breaking across your chest, of warm sand beneath you.

    Hours later, still logy and numb, you surface, as if from deep under water. A warm tide seems to be flooding your midsection. Focusing your eyes down there with difficulty, you see tubes running into you, their heat mingling with your abdomen’s depthless cold like a churned-up river. You follow the tubes to the bag that hangs suspended beneath the electric light.

    And with a lurch that would be a sob if you could make a sound, you begin to understand: The bag contains all that you had so nearly lost. These people huddled around you have brought you sunlight and warmth, things you once so cavalierly dismissed as constant, available, yours, summoned by the simple twisting of a knob or tossing on of a layer.

    But in the hours since you last believed that, you’ve traveled to a place where there is no sun. You’ve seen that in the infinite reaches of the universe, heat is as glorious and ephemeral as the light of the stars. Heat exists only where matter exists, where particles can vibrate and jump. In the infinite winter of space, heat is tiny; it is the cold that is huge.

    Someone speaks. Your eyes move from bright lights to shadowy forms in the dim outer reaches of the room. You recognize the voice of one of the friends you set out to visit, so long ago now. She’s smiling down at you crookedly.

    “It’s cold out there,” she says. “Isn’t it?

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    I recently re-upped my Wilderness First Responder certification, but I did the alternate path by doing it at a Wilderness First Aid course (nb: in retrospect, not recommended). Since I clearly had way more knowledge and experience than my other classmates, they frequently had questions for me, and the most common was: "how often have you used this stuff?"

    I had to think... in 10 years of being a WFR I've actively provided care for 2 patients. One probable fractured clavicle and one probable ankle sprain (probable only because I don't practice medicine, so I don't make diagnoses).

    But the patient assessment and care isn't even remotely the most important thing I have learned.

    I make all my plans differently than I used to. I know who to call depending on where I am going. I know there are people expecting my check-in with my plans and a "drop-dead" time, and *they* also know who to call. I carry twice as many clothes as I need, even on a day hike. The medications in my pack have recently been counted and expired meds replaced. I take the weight penalty for a camp chair because the pad is a great insulator and the says make great splints. I have everything I need to treat just about anything up to what you could only carry in an ambulance and I almost never need any of it because I have planned correctly, and have the confidence and authority to say *stop* during cascading bad decisions.

    I always strongly encourage anyone who has the time to get trained. It's time and money very well spent, and the life you are most likely to save is your own... and you'll never even know it.

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    Thanks for those posts. I've always had a healthy respect for nature - whether it's the woods or the ocean, and I do a lot of outdoor stuff. But I'm gonna double down and re-think a few things that I do. And have my wife read everything above as well.

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    Brrrrr.

    If you really want some scary stuff read Jon Krakauer's "Into Thin Air" about the "accidents" on Everest a few years ago.

    This is a good time of year to read it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mabouya View Post
    Brrrrr.

    If you really want some scary stuff read Jon Krakauer's "Into Thin Air" about the "accidents" on Everest a few years ago.

    This is a good time of year to read it.

    The scariest thing about that book is that I kept on waiting for the thing that I would say "that's where they needed to make a better decision, obviously", and it never happened. At least not in krakauer's telling. Outdoors activity is often about risk management and tolerance, not risk elimination. Usually you can manage your way into not-death, but Everest doesn't always give you that option.

    Sort of related: I'm a junkie for Everest base camp clinic stories. This one is a good example of how sick people can get, and the challenges of long term patient care and decision making that makes wilderness medicine a challenge.



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    This article is an excellent reminder that even when fit, we are certainly not invincible to Mother Nature.
    I met a rider who asked to join our mountainbike crew because he once got trapped beneath a tree that fell on him.

    Less than a month later, we had a HUGE tree just fall directly into our path. Not even a gentle breeze in the air.
    Being injured, while alone, even if 50* F., and too hurt to ride or beyond cellphone range...could be life-threatening.

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    Another interesting survival story is Touching the Void.

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    Wow, scary stuff, I enjoyed the writing a lot too.

    Into Thin Air, and Into the Wild were both some of the first books that really captivated me when I was younger. I think they gave me a real appreciation of cold and the chain reaction of decisions.

    My significant other and I have been making it a task to get educated and get the right experience. Thinking about it now, we've put our selves into some scenarios that could have gotten us into some trouble if some bad luck had come our way. Nothing outstanding, we are always thinking of plan B, but still we'd like to get more prepared. We're both reading two of the NOLS books at the moment, and would like to take some courses soon. We have goals of some big hiking, skiing and MTB trips in our lives, so the motivation is there.
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    Seemed familiar - Outside originally published this in '97.

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    When I first moved north I ended up in north Maine. It was surreal.
    One of the first things I was taught was to keep blanks in the car 'just in case'. It got seriously cold up there...
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    My dad went through the ice while we were out birdwatching one winter. Fortunately he came back up through the hole he made, but it was pretty sketchy getting him out. There were cracks all over the friggin' place, and I told him that I couldn't come and get him, that he'd have to get out himself and to make himself as flat as possible on the ice and inch across the ice. I broke a long branch off a tree and he sort of slid himself like an eel out of the hole and onto the branch while I pulled and he scooched along until finally he was on solid ice. Then we basically ran 20 minutes back to the car and drove home where my mother put him in the tub and turned on the cold water first then slowly warmed it up. But he was pretty frozen. Even the cold water seemed hot. We had been walking along a frozen steam that was 8-10' deep in spring and had a reasonable current to it, and my dad decided to cross it. I saw the ice was gray in the middle and the snowmobile tracks were everywhere except where the ice was gray and I thought well snowmobilers are always killing themselves doing stupid things so if they are avoiding the gray ice, it cannot be safe. Just as I was saying, "I don't think you should..." He went through. I was 12 years old. Of course, like any good son, I've never let him forget it.
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    When I first moved north I ended up in north Maine. It was surreal.
    One of the first things I was taught was to keep blanks in the car 'just in case'. It got seriously cold up there...
    Why blanks? If to signal someone, why not real bullets in that case?

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    Quote Originally Posted by j44ke View Post
    My dad went through the ice while we were out birdwatching one winter. Fortunately he came back up through the hole he made, but it was pretty sketchy getting him out. There were cracks all over the friggin' place, and I told him that I couldn't come and get him, that he'd have to get out himself and to make himself as flat as possible on the ice and inch across the ice. I broke a long branch off a tree and he sort of slid himself like an eel out of the hole and onto the branch while I pulled and he scooched along until finally he was on solid ice. Then we basically ran 20 minutes back to the car and drove home where my mother put him in the tub and turned on the cold water first then slowly warmed it up. But he was pretty frozen. Even the cold water seemed hot. We had been walking along a frozen steam that was 8-10' deep in spring and had a reasonable current to it, and my dad decided to cross it. I saw the ice was gray in the middle and the snowmobile tracks were everywhere except where the ice was gray and I thought well snowmobilers are always killing themselves doing stupid things so if they are avoiding the gray ice, it cannot be safe. Just as I was saying, "I don't think you should..." He went through. I was 12 years old. Of course, like any good son, I've never let him forget it.
    That was wise beyond your years to not make another victim in the situation.

    The funny thing about submersion is that you have longer than you think. It's going to take a (relatively) long time to develop hypothermia in freezing water. Many victims wear themselves out thrashing and panicking, and then don't have the energy to get themselves out. Dr Giesbrecht has contributed a ton to our understanding, and has done a number of demonstrations, including on Letterman (which I can't seem to find):


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    Quote Originally Posted by spopepro View Post
    That was wise beyond your years to not make another victim in the situation.

    The funny thing about submersion is that you have longer than you think. It's going to take a (relatively) long time to develop hypothermia in freezing water. Many victims wear themselves out thrashing and panicking, and then don't have the energy to get themselves out. Dr Giesbrecht has contributed a ton to our understanding, and has done a number of demonstrations, including on Letterman (which I can't seem to find):

    I grew up with a very adventurous dad (he still is - right now he is birdwatching from a ship off the Falklands & Antarctica at 78 years of age) who occasionally required some guidance, so I was well practiced by 12. I also don't freak out when stuff goes sideways. Everything slows down and I can see what needs to be done. I knew he would be alright. I just had to get him to get himself out of that hole.

    Some day I'll write a book about him, but right now he'd just get embarrassed and insist that none of it was true.

    Good video btw. That's almost exactly what my dad did to get out of the hole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich Beaudoin View Post
    Why blanks? If to signal someone, why not real bullets in that case?
    I had the same reaction, then realized he probably meant blankets.

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    I remember reading "Into Thin Air" on a 96 degree beach, and shivering involuntarily. I had also, prior to reading the book, harbored the fantasy of someday climbing Everest. I think it was the passage where Krakauer describes a coughing fit so violent he broke a rib - somewhere far lower than even Base Camp - that cured me of that delusion.
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