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    Quote Originally Posted by Will Neide View Post
    That’s an emphatic no.
    Okay... At the very least we need to revisit the distribution of electoral college votes and remove any chance that the votes of the people be subverted by rogue EC representatives. I still can't comprehend how, or why, a voter in Wyoming has more voting power than someone in Chicago.

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    My vote goes to Alfred E. Nueman

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    Quote Originally Posted by Will Neide View Post
    That’s an emphatic no.
    I'm curious to hear your reasons.
    GO!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RSCROSS View Post
    My vote goes to Alfred E. Nueman
    Which gives you no right to complain, and no stake in anything being decided by these elections or in DC for the next four years.
    GO!

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    Default Re: Who will challenge Trump? Who you like?

    My anticipation is that Senator Sanders will decisively take both California and Texas today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davids View Post
    Which gives you no right to complain, and no stake in anything being decided by these elections or in DC for the next four years.
    That's one way to look at it.

    Another is that a person's vote is an endorsement of the recipient, and that one who values his/her endorsement may feel that none of the slimeballs on the ballot have earned it. I certainly felt that way in 2016 (for the top of the ticket).

    Yet another: not everyone can vote. Do those who can't have a right to complain?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Jays View Post
    My anticipation is that Senator Sanders will decisively take both California and Texas today.
    California, yes. Less confident about Texas now that Beto stepped in for Biden... however, he likely garnered most of the early voting and with Amy et al dropping out between the open of early voting and today that's some Biden votes not cast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King Of Dirk View Post
    That's one way to look at it.

    Another is that a person's vote is an endorsement of the recipient, and that one who values his/her endorsement may feel that none of the slimeballs on the ballot have earned it. I certainly felt that way in 2016 (for the top of the ticket).

    Yet another: not everyone can vote. Do those who can't have a right to complain?
    If you vote for a cartoon character:

    • you are choosing fiction over reality, so my comment stands, and
    • you have the right to vote, so your objection is moot.

    The stakes are high and the choices are limited. And the only way to change this reality is to engage.
    GO!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Jays View Post
    It appears that the DNC wishes the candidate to be VP Biden to run against President Trump this fall.
    The will of everyday Democrat voters seemingly is behind Senator Sanders from my perspective.
    We may have a greater sense of political future for Senator Warren and Mayor Bloomberg by tonight.
    Biden currently leads in the popular vote in the primaries held so far, and Sanders has a couple delegate lead overall. "The will of everyday Democratic voters" is a laughable notion right now as that's precisely what the primary process is intended to suss out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJohnson View Post
    Okay... At the very least we need to revisit the distribution of electoral college votes and remove any chance that the votes of the people be subverted by rogue EC representatives. I still can't comprehend how, or why, a voter in Wyoming has more voting power than someone in Chicago.
    Slavery. As with most things in the Constitution distributing political power, the underlying issue was slavery.

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    I’m a resident of Illinois now and plan to vote on the 17th. We’ll see what the field looks like then. It indeed seems holding the primaries on the same day could make some sense. Ranked choice is very interesting as well. I have a hierarchy but some of my favorites are gone. I like Andrew Yang but he’s a bystander now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davids View Post
    If you vote for a cartoon character:

    • you are choosing fiction over reality, so my comment stands, and
    • you have the right to vote, so your objection is moot.

    The stakes are high and the choices are limited. And the only way to change this reality is to engage.
    I take your point on choosing fiction over reality. I'll leave it to you to choose the shiniest turd; we all still have every right to complain. Voting for the least sleazy criminal doesn't confer some special gravitas on the subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King Of Dirk View Post
    Voting for the least sleazy criminal doesn't confer some special gravitas on the subject.
    Shirley, you can’t be serious.
    Today I was presented with these choices on the Democratic ballot:

    • Deval Patrick (former governor)
    • Amy Klobuchar
    • Elizabeth Warren
    • Michael Bennet
    • Michael Bloomberg
    • Tulsi Gabbard
    • Cory Booker
    • Julián Castro
    • Tom Steyer
    • Bernie Sanders
    • Joseph Biden
    • John Delaney
    • Andrew Yang
    • Pete Buttigieg
    • Marianne Williamson

    Now I have my differences with some, but honestly I can’t imagine classifying any one of them as a “sleazy criminal”.

    Or I could have opted for the Republican ballot:

    • William Weld (former governor)
    • Joe Walsh (not the former Eagle)
    • Donald Trump
    • Roque De La Fuente

    OK one of those guys is pretty sleazy, and is also known to engage in criminal enterprise. But only one!

    But it was the other parties where the opportunity for expression truly presented itself:

    • Sedinam Kinamo Christin Moyowasifza-Curry (thankfully not a write-in)
    • Vermin Love Supreme (my boy!)
    • Dan Taxation Is Theft Behrman (no step on snek!)

    That’s an abbreviated list of the Greens and the Libertarians, but no sleaze and criminality there, to the best of my knowledge.
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    Man, Joe Walsh (the former Eagle)--that's a presidential radio address I would listen to every week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 72gmc View Post
    Man, Joe Walsh (the former Eagle)--that's a presidential radio address I would listen to every week.
    Every address would start with "Hi there, how are you, it's been a long time"
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    Quote Originally Posted by 72gmc View Post
    Man, Joe Walsh (the former Eagle)--that's a presidential radio address I would listen to every week.
    If Joe Walsh chose Daryl Hall as a running mate, now we’d have a race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King Of Dirk View Post
    I take your point on choosing fiction over reality. I'll leave it to you to choose the shiniest turd; we all still have every right to complain. Voting for the least sleazy criminal doesn't confer some special gravitas on the subject.
    For as long as I can remember I've heard "If you don't vote you have no right to complain" and I've never understood the reasoning that gets someone to state that. There is no requirement to vote and since this is the USA one is free to take a pass if they so choose. Someone can certainly have any opinion of me that they like if I write in "My neighbor's dog" instead of checking the box for someone with a D or R after their name, but that opinion doesn't mean that my mouth has to remain closed.

    It's been a long time since either major party has nominated anyone whom I could actually endorse and I doubt that they ever will in my lifetime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by choke View Post
    For as long as I can remember I've heard "If you don't vote you have no right to complain" and I've never understood the reasoning that gets someone to state that. There is no requirement to vote and since this is the USA one is free to take a pass if they so choose. Someone can certainly have any opinion of me that they like if I write in "My neighbor's dog" instead of checking the box for someone with a D or R after their name, but that opinion doesn't mean that my mouth has to remain closed.

    It's been a long time since either major party has nominated anyone whom I could actually endorse and I doubt that they ever will in my lifetime.
    Australia has compulsory voting. Actually it's compulsory attendance at voting. There's no compulsion to actually vote formally, you just have to get your name marked off to say you voted.

    I get the argument that if you don't vote for change you shouldn't bitch about things not changing. But on the other side of the coin, we've seen the rise of One Nation (a party of racist incomprehensible morons if you are looking for the highlights) because a formal protest vote has to go somewhere. They are what you get when both option A & B are shite, and you want to let them know you know they are shite. I would prefer that One Nation got no support and 25% of votes cast were informal. That's what they call it here when you write " d - none of the above" and pick that. Or draw a dick. Or whatever.
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    Remarkable performance by VP Joe Biden.
    Now to see about California, Maine, and Texas.

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    Congratulations to Mayor Bloomberg for spending half a billion dollars to win...

    ...American Samoa. Looks like he won with an impressive haul of 125 votes.

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