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    Quote Originally Posted by dhoff View Post
    I am missing something here. Why "get away with" carbon, when a Steripen handles these issues completely? I keep it in my saddlebag on long rides just in case. It weighs little and you just need to change the batteries every once in a while.

    I can understand wanting something else if you are going to be away from battery sources for months at a time. But if you are going to hit a town every 1000 liters of water or so, you are all set.

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    From Wikipedia, the lazy person's research. Still, this is what I've heard from colleagues in the international health field-

    Still, there are limits to this technology. Water turbidity (i.e., the amount of suspended & colloidal solids contained in the water to be treated) must be low, such that the water is clear, for UV purification to work well - thus a pre-filter step might be necessary.

    A concern with UV portable water purification is that some pathogens are hundreds of times less sensitive to UV light than others. Protozoan cysts were once believed to be among the least sensitive, however recent studies have proved otherwise, demonstrating that both Cryptosporidium and Giardia are deactivated by a UV dose of just 6 mJ/cm sq.[12] However, EPA regulations and other studies show that it is viruses that are the limiting factor of UV treatment, requiring a 10-30 times greater dose of UV light than Giardia or Cryptosporidium[13] .[14] Furthermore, studies have shown that UV doses at the levels provided by common portable UV units are effective at killing Giardia[15] and that there was no evidence of repair and reactivation of the cysts.[16]

    Water treated with UV still has the microbes present in the water, only with their means for reproduction turned "off". In the event that such UV-treated water containing neutered microbes is exposed to visible light (specifically, wavelengths of light over 330-500 nm) for any significant period of time, a process known as photo reactivation can take place, where the possibility for repairing the damage in the bacteria's reproduction DNA arises, potentially rendering them once more capable of reproducing and causing disease.[17] UV-treated water must therefore not be exposed to visible light for any significant period of time after UV treatment, before consumption, to avoid ingesting reactivated and dangerous microbes.

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    Interesting discussion. I wonder if a few hours on a warm day in a clear water bottle is enough to reactivate bacteria after being bombarded with UV light. I also wonder if the differences are academic and they all work in the field if used properly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenNMotion View Post
    From Wikipedia, the lazy person's research. ...[/I]
    Perfect, Zen. Thank you for this. It is obvious that you have done your research. I appreciate your insite and experience. Will be back in India soon and hopefully doing some touring. This is very valuable.
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    I just picked up an Aquamira Frontier Pro but haven't used it yet. My plan is to use it as my "backup" when hiking or backpacking. I never am out for more that 2 nights so the plusses for me are it's cheap/light and that it can be used with a bladder system (it has a bite-valve and fitting for this) It will also screw onto the tops of the small platypus type collapsing/folding containers I have and it will also fit onto plastic soda/water bottle tops so I can use it as a gravity feed system.

    Sounds like a great trip BTW. Enjoy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan View Post
    Interesting discussion. I wonder if a few hours on a warm day in a clear water bottle is enough to reactivate bacteria after being bombarded with UV light. I also wonder if the differences are academic and they all work in the field if used properly.
    The article referenced in wiki is here:

    Survival of Shewanella oneidensis MR-1 after UV Radiation Exposure

    The research is above my pay grade, but under very specific laboratory circumstances the one particular bacterium studied may experience reactivation.

    "Shewanella oneidensis is a bacterium which can reduce poisonous heavy metal and can live in both environments with or without oxygen"
    Shewanella oneidensis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonny View Post
    ??explain please
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    Quote Originally Posted by dhoff View Post
    ??explain please
    2-part chlorine dioxide
    cheap (~$12), light, nothing to break, won't go bad, doesn't taste, improves taste/odor of gross water, can ingest safely indefinitely
    nukes all the bad stuff

    has allowed me to keep my insides inside for months when drinking from nasty water sources

    not sexy or exciting, but is just one of those things that really can't be improved upon imo


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    Quote Originally Posted by Racingtown View Post
    Some good information and reviews on available water filters.

    How to Choose the Best Backpacking Water Purification - OutdoorGearLab
    take a 6l drom bag + 1l nalgene
    fill and treat the whole bag and nalgene at beginning of the day. 7l/day should take care of most thirsts unless you're somewhere hot and crazy

    extra water just means you don't have to waste gas boiling your dinner

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    thank you Sonny
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    I have been through many filters - so far my fave is the small (sure it is a different model now) PUR filter.
    Ease of cleaning the filter is key on anything.
    Also some tricks will really extent the life of your unit - in murky water, wrap a bandana around the intake - helps allot.
    If you can let water sit in a bucket, old bottle, or anything overnight most of the solids will sink, giving you a cleaner filter.
    Sand is the big clogging agent.
    Every stream you encounter in the GB will be associated with livestock.
    Do not underestimate the awesomeness of water drops if you are driving up to start your trip.
    If there is habitation there is potable H2O.
    Let me know some trip details before you go & I may be able to help as I have spent lots of time out there.
    "Hard Water" like salt, alkali lime or tourmaline (like Havasu Creek) will sieze up the tiny pores in filters, esp. ceramic core ones, solid......
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    The plan is to fly into Missoula, ride over and pick up the route at Seely Lake, and point it south. At some point in South Park and about 1000 miles later we will make a left and fly out of Colorado Springs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan View Post
    The plan is to fly into Missoula, ride over and pick up the route at Seely Lake, and point it south. At some point in South Park and about 1000 miles later we will make a left and fly out of Colorado Springs.
    There should be plenty of sources (that's the Rockies & not the Great Basin, BTW unless I read it wrong) Problem could be too much water is one form or another.........
    Here is what I carry: Katadyn Hiker Microfiltration System
    Or you can just go old school and rock iodine, although it kills your gut flora after too long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steve garro View Post
    There should be plenty of sources (that's the Rockies & not the Great Basin, BTW unless I read it wrong) Problem could be too much water is one form or another.........
    Here is what I carry: Katadyn Hiker Microfiltration System
    Or you can just go old school and rock iodine, although it kills your gut flora after too long.
    - Garro.
    At some point we do cross the basin, though I don't know exactly where.

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan View Post
    At some point we do cross the basin, though I don't know exactly where.

    Thanks
    The Great Basin is the area to the W. of the rockies in OR, NV & UT into which any water which flows in does not flow out - are we talking the same thing?
    The CD trail is E. of the GB.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steve garro View Post
    The Great Basin is the area to the W. of the rockies in OR, NV & UT into which any water which flows in does not flow out - are we talking the same thing?
    The CD trail is E. of the GB.
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    You tell me. You've lived out west your whole life. Ain't no way I'm going to act like I know what I'm talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan View Post
    You tell me. You've lived out west your whole life. Ain't no way I'm going to act like I know what I'm talking about.

    Great Divide Mountain Bike Route - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Well OK then.......
    The Continental Divide is the line which divides the continent, one side of which runs to the Pacific, one to the Atlantic.
    You will be following that line.
    The Great Basin is to the W. of all that.

    I once found myself fighting fires below Two Oceans Peak, below where lies Two Ocean Lake - one outlet goes to the Pacific, one to the Atlantic.
    It was close to if not in Yellowsone - WY I think.

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    I guess the basin referred to in Montanna is not really part of the greater basin you're referring to. I want to say the one in Montanna is 150 or so miles long top to bottom, but I've never seen it, much less ridden it.

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    I guess the basin referred to in Montanna is not really part of the greater basin you're referring to. I want to say the one in Montanna is 150 or so miles long top to bottom, but I've never seen it, much less ridden it.
    Bingo - check out the map at the top, the circle in brown, that is the Great Basin.
    This is where you are talking: Great Divide Basin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    I've been to where you speak of - it's high altitude, dry, and uber-windy.

    Here is Two Oceans where I was thinking of: Two Ocean Pass - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    My grandmother was born in Teton, Idaho & I did 100 straight days initial attck in the '88 yellowstone fire so I saw lots of that country, the Wind Rivers, too as well as the Elk Refuge, which was great country.
    Are you bringing a pole?
    Heart of cutthroat trout country, there.
    Water everywhere.
    "Beaver Fever" is what I would watch out for in the H2O - for real.
    Rawlins is a pretty rough place.........
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    Quote Originally Posted by steve garro View Post
    Bingo - check out the map at the top, the circle in brown, that is the Great Basin.
    This is where you are talking: Great Divide Basin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    I've been to where you speak of - it's high altitude, dry, and uber-windy.

    Here is Two Oceans where I was thinking of: Two Ocean Pass - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    My grandmother was born in Teton, Idaho & I did 100 straight days initial attck in the '88 yellowstone fire so I saw lots of that country, the Wind Rivers, too as well as the Elk Refuge, which was great country.
    Are you bringing a pole?
    Heart of cutthroat trout country, there.
    Water everywhere.
    "Beaver Fever" is what I would watch out for in the H2O - for real.
    Rawlins is a pretty rough place.........
    - Garro.
    Beaver fever? That's what I'm escaping from. Oh, bad joke.

    We are just now planning. I've got time for about 1000 miles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan View Post
    Beaver fever?

    We are just now planning. I've got time for about 1000 miles.
    Know your enemy: Giardiasis Surveillance — United States, 2009–2010

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