Seat Binder for Sachs Lugs

[Michael Gordon]

Hi All,

Can anyone recommend a quality alternative to Campagnolo 1072 Seat Binders for use on Richard Sachs' Lugs? I know that Richard also used to supply a washer for use with the 1072. I'm not sure if this was to protect the paint on the frame from the turning end, or if it was to take up some space between the heads.

I'm looking to find a source for multiple pieces, not just someone who has a spare 1072 sitting in a drawer (in good conditions, they little guys are pricey!).

I'm talking with Peter at Ceeway about a couple that he thinks should might work, and this point I will probably order one of each just to try them out. Someone also suggested the ones made by Miche.

If anyone has a definite, sure thing, it's what you use all of the time recommendation, it would be much appreciated.

Thanks!

Mike Gordon

[Martin T]

I prefer drilling out the binder and brazing in a 6x1.
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[Mark Walberg]

Hi All,

Can anyone recommend a quality alternative to Campagnolo 1072 Seat Binders for use on Richard Sachs' Lugs?

The Sugino works fine if you file a little slot in the lug for it.

[Eric Estlund]

Miche

[Moke]

I think the Tweedy has the right idea. I broke so many seat lug bolts thru the years and have never broken a braze on bolt since they came out. They always broke when you were putting your bike back together after a travel box/ plane ride. I used to take a couple spares on road trips cause someone always popped one at 0 dark thirty in the middle of nowhere.

[Curt Goodrich]

Ceeway Art. 557. Same as the Campagnolo part except in stainless.

[Too Tall]

Ceeway Art. 557. Same as the Campagnolo part except in stainless.

Slightly to the left of this topic. If anyone has a few spare Ceeway Art. 557's they will sell me I'll move your name into the "nice" column. My supply of Sugino bolts is done and I always keep one taped to the tandem seat rails "just in case".

[e-RICHIE]

And then there's Maude...

No matter which part you find, make sure the width matches you seat lug ears, and that the female side is tapped all the way through, and that the washer (make sure you use a washer because, among other things, it keeps the paint from getting scored) fits the right side counterbore.

I used the Campagnolo 1072 8mm component for generations and never had a problem or broke one. Every bolt was tapped through and every one had a stainless washer that I supplied from some vendor in North Carolina.

Bolts break because they bottom out, and/or because the washer behind the male part is incorrectly sized, and/or because the interference between the seat post and seat tube is wonky.

[Michael Gordon]

Thank you all for your comments.

I have some bits and pieces on the way. As soon as I figure out what I will settle in with, I will post some pics on this thread. Stay tuned!

Mike

[Michael Gordon]

I picked up a few binders to play with, and here is what I found...

Ceeway Art. 442 - Despite the description of 18.5mm between the heads, mine measured 20.0mm. This made it too big without washers under both heads. The design of the binder would not allow for tapping it all of the way through. This binder is chromed steel. the two sides were noticeably different in chrome color.

Ceeway Art. 557 (Silva) - This one is a little smaller than the Miche (Or a Campy 1072 as I understand it). So much smaller that I did not use a washer under the head in order to keep as much thread in the female side as possible. I had to drill out one side of the lug so that the serrations on the female side of the binder could bit into the hole.

Miche - Both sides to the lug required drilling for this one, and I was able to put a washer under the head of the male side of the binder.

Washers - I could not find a washer that would fit the diameter of the binder (ID) and diameter of the lug (OD). The best I could do was to find a metric washer with a 12mm OD, and then drill out the ID to just over 8mm. I'm sure with enough searching, I will be able find a supplier that has one.

Conclusion so far... I like the Miche for its length, but would prefer to find one that does not require as much drilling out of the lug. I like the Ceeway Art. 557 because it is stainless (I like stainless), and the fact that it did not require much drilling of the lug. I just wish the Ceeway (Silva) binder was a little longer to fit a washer under the head.

I'm probably over thinking this.

Mike