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    And I thought it was only the caffeine. Food to make us more hungry. Wow.. I like that...

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/24/ma...d.html?hp&_r=0

    The Extraordinary Science of Addictive Junk Food

    On the evening of April 8, 1999, a long line of Town Cars and taxis pulled up to the Minneapolis headquarters of Pillsbury and discharged 11 men who controlled America’s largest food companies. Nestlé was in attendance, as were Kraft and Nabisco, General Mills and Procter & Gamble, Coca-Cola and Mars. Rivals any other day, the C.E.O.’s and company presidents had come together for a rare, private meeting. On the agenda was one item: the emerging obesity epidemic and how to deal with it. While the atmosphere was cordial, the men assembled were hardly friends. Their stature was defined by their skill in fighting one another for what they called “stomach share” — the amount of digestive space that any one company’s brand can grab from the competition.

    James Behnke, a 55-year-old executive at Pillsbury, greeted the men as they arrived. He was anxious but also hopeful about the plan that he and a few other food-company executives had devised to engage the C.E.O.’s on America’s growing weight problem. “We were very concerned, and rightfully so, that obesity was becoming a major issue,” Behnke recalled. “People were starting to talk about sugar taxes, and there was a lot of pressure on food companies.” Getting the company chiefs in the same room to talk about anything, much less a sensitive issue like this, was a tricky business, so Behnke and his fellow organizers had scripted the meeting carefully, honing the message to its barest essentials. “C.E.O.’s in the food industry are typically not technical guys, and they’re uncomfortable going to meetings where technical people talk in technical terms about technical things,” Behnke said. “They don’t want to be embarrassed. They don’t want to make commitments. They want to maintain their aloofness and autonomy.”

    A chemist by training with a doctoral degree in food science, Behnke became Pillsbury’s chief technical officer in 1979 and was instrumental in creating a long line of hit products, including microwaveable popcorn. He deeply admired Pillsbury but in recent years had grown troubled by pictures of obese children suffering from diabetes and the earliest signs of hypertension and heart disease. In the months leading up to the C.E.O. meeting, he was engaged in conversation with a group of food-science experts who were painting an increasingly grim picture of the public’s ability to cope with the industry’s formulations — from the body’s fragile controls on overeating to the hidden power of some processed foods to make people feel hungrier still. It was time, he and a handful of others felt, to warn the C.E.O.’s that their companies may have gone too far in creating and marketing products that posed the greatest health concerns.

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    Spectacular article.

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    Mudd then did the unthinkable. He drew a connection to the last thing in the world the C.E.O.’s wanted linked to their products: cigarettes. First came a quote from a Yale University professor of psychology and public health, Kelly Brownell, who was an especially vocal proponent of the view that the processed-food industry should be seen as a public health menace: “As a culture, we’ve become upset by the tobacco companies advertising to children, but we sit idly by while the food companies do the very same thing. And we could make a claim that the toll taken on the public health by a poor diet rivals that taken by tobacco.”
    That's pretty rich when said CEOs were still under Altria, nee Phillip Morris corp.

    The merging of biochemistry, endocrinology, psychology, and genetics is going to very soon be a major story in how we do everything from eat, to train, to live. It will be both exciting and absolutely terrifying, because (atmo) we will soon find out that we have much less "free will" than we have always imagined.

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    Anyone who's had a McRib (don't ask) sandwich (?) knows you leave hungrier than when you went in.

    Moving forward maybe some gold old fashioned Left Coast VC investments can help turn the tide: Clean-food movement draws VC interest - SFGate

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    In general, the more processed our food is the higher the glycemic index. Great when you're out training for 4 or 5 hours, but does nothing otherwise but create the instant spike and crash, which creates the desire for more. These junk food guys are masters and creating shit that has huge spikes. Stick to less processed food, whole grains, etc.

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    Diet Coke makes me hungry. I don't know if it does that to everyone, but its a particularly insidious characteristic for a product targeted at the calorie conscious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nahtnoj View Post
    Diet Coke makes me hungry. I don't know if it does that to everyone, but its a particularly insidious characteristic for a product targeted at the calorie conscious.
    Me too, gave it up decades ago because of that rebound effect. The research is out there on that, how the "sweetness" affects some chemicals in the brain but not others, so when the craving comes back a few hours later it's on a rampage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nahtnoj View Post
    Diet Coke makes me hungry. I don't know if it does that to everyone, but its a particularly insidious characteristic for a product targeted at the calorie conscious.
    You're not imagining it. Diet sodas invoke much the same insulin release as 'regular' soda with sugar. Drink it, your pancreas releases insulin, your blood sugar drops a bit and wham-o................ you're hungry. The biochemistry of appetite is fascinating - what I've described here is the tip of an iceberg. Big Food will exploit appetite biochemistry on one hand to get people to consume crap. Big Pharma is increasingly working on the the 'cures' for to suppress this response. They have the average uninformed person coming and going. Eat natural, minimally processed foods and avoid the devil on both ends. (Of course, if you live in the city, you have to spend a fortune at Whole foods to do this and are effed again.)

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    Looking forward to reading this when I get home.

    I chose my dinner yesterday based on what would be the least processed despite working until 9pm. This crap will kill you a lot faster than you're already expiring, and boiling some cubed potatoes for mashing, with asparagus in the oven, takes 15 minutes. Yeah, yeah, I already had leftover protein to go with it ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ldamelio View Post
    You're not imagining it. Diet sodas invoke much the same insulin release as 'regular' soda with sugar. Drink it, your pancreas releases insulin, your blood sugar drops a bit and wham-o................ you're hungry.
    Do you have a cite for that? The prior research I am aware of does not indicate any cephalic phase insulin release as a result of ingestion of aspartame. There is a study (Ingestion of Diet Soda Before a Glucose Load Augments Glucagon-Like Peptide-1 Secretion) that indicates that artificial sweeteners in combination with glucose increase GLP-1 secretion, but that seems a different case. (Well, ok, if you eat Swedish Fish and drink Diet Coke...)

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    I might also gently remind everyone here that you are neither the target, nor the problem. By all means, eat better, and take good care of yourselves and don't feed the industry, but our obesity/food issues are not being played out among cycling enthusiasts (and I dare say, middle aged, middle class white males).

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    I started to read it at work after the title peaked my intrest but have to finish it later cuz its so long.

    I think Michael Pollan has been writing some good stuff about this issue for a while.

    My problems boil down to beer, and my kids. both are making me fat.

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    There is no away around this kind of issues, unless you grow everything you eat. Additives are everywhere. But I think this kind of stuff is more insidious

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    I've made a massive effort for myself in the last 6 months to eat as well as I can. I've cut down on sugar as much as possible. Avoid foods with added sugar, don't eat anything that comes processed or with preservatives, artificial colours, all that crap. I suppose it's the whole, whole food thing. I can honestly say I feel better than I ever can remember. More energy at a more even level.

    One thing I have found is that for my wife to get her to change is a kicking and screaming kind of scenario. Unless people are ready and prepared for the change they ain't going to make it. I am slowly making changes though. We bought chickens for their eggs. I've planted vegetables in the garden and try and buy the most organic foods that I can afford and make the effort to make sure a wholesome dinner is cooked for the kids everynight. I don't always get there but I've also learned that it will take time.

    Big Food is like the oil companies. They have a lot of influence over governmant policies. Until the governments make processed food prohibitively expensive then society will continue to cosume. atmo.
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    real food is a tough row to hoe, but is what we are going to have to relearn in order to keep our soils and bodies viable

    the haber process will fail us at some point (thankfully)
    but public health is going to get a lot worse before it gets better

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    You might also be interested in this earlier, more general, article by the NYTimes on nutrition. All the way back from 2007:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/28/ma...pagewanted=all

    The simple and brilliant advice is "Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants." but that doesn't sustain and industry or create growth. Also the 9 rules of thumb are insightful as well:

    1. Eat food (i.e. unprocessed natural stuff)
    2. Avoid foods which come with health 'claims'
    3. Avoid foods with ingredients you can't pronounce.
    4. Try to rely more on farmers.
    5. Pay more, eat less.
    6. Mainline plants and leaves.
    7. Eat like mediterranean Europeans or countries where there is still a connection between the seasonal/ traditional and the diet.
    8. Cook and garden.
    9. Be an an omnivore.

    Fantastic and difficult to hear.
    Tom Walshe

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    Quote Originally Posted by ldamelio View Post
    You're not imagining it. Diet sodas invoke much the same insulin release as 'regular' soda with sugar. Drink it, your pancreas releases insulin, your blood sugar drops a bit and wham-o................ you're hungry. The biochemistry of appetite is fascinating - what I've described here is the tip of an iceberg. Big Food will exploit appetite biochemistry on one hand to get people to consume crap. Big Pharma is increasingly working on the the 'cures' for to suppress this response. They have the average uninformed person coming and going. Eat natural, minimally processed foods and avoid the devil on both ends. (Of course, if you live in the city, you have to spend a fortune at Whole foods to do this and are effed again.)
    I've heard that, too. There was a recent article somewhere - it's killing me that I can't remember where - that maintained drinking diet sodas was actually making people fat (or fatter). We'd stopped drinking that stuff about a year ago or so. Now, if and when we drink coke, we actually buy the made-in-Mexico coke made with regular sugar instead of the corn syrup. Dunno that it's better or worse for you, but it tastes better.

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    I think it was Pollan who also said: "Don't eat anything your grandparents or great grandparents wouldn't recognize as food."

    We have a long way to go in this country to even approach the food safety, labeling/disclosure standards and availability of high quality foods that most of the countries touted as 'mediterranean' in diet take for granted. Some will scream that this kind of thing is socialist, but I'd rather have the government mandate what's disclosed about my food than have Monsanto tell me only what they think I need to hear.

    We do a few weeks every January where we cut out pretty much everything other than lean protein (local chicken & pork), vegetables (mostly local root varieties), broth (made from the aforementioned), brown rice, rice cakes, almond butter, salad greens, tea, and a few other things. No sugar. No flour. No cereals. No bread. No pasta. No red meat. No alcohol. No dairy.

    It's really hard to do three weeks of this, but it also teaches a couple of things. One is that your body certainly doesn't 'need' all the stuff it craves. Another is that if you cut sugar/sweeteners out, you don't miss it, but if you have even a little, your body craves more. Third, it makes you appreciate the sweetness in things we don't usually think of as especially sweet. Yams. An apple. Carrots. Once you take out all the extra sugar and crap, your body adjusts and starts to notice the natural sugars in items like these much more vividly.

    I don't think I could live me whole life with that restrictive a diet, since I really like food, but it's incredibly helpful to reset and try to bring at least one or two elements of that simpler way of eating forward.


    Quote Originally Posted by TomW View Post
    You might also be interested in this earlier, more general, article by the NYTimes on nutrition. All the way back from 2007:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/28/ma...pagewanted=all

    The simple and brilliant advice is "Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants." but that doesn't sustain and industry or create growth. Also the 9 rules of thumb are insightful as well:

    1. Eat food (i.e. unprocessed natural stuff)
    2. Avoid foods which come with health 'claims'
    3. Avoid foods with ingredients you can't pronounce.
    4. Try to rely more on farmers.
    5. Pay more, eat less.
    6. Mainline plants and leaves.
    7. Eat like mediterranean Europeans or countries where there is still a connection between the seasonal/ traditional and the diet.
    8. Cook and garden.
    9. Be an an omnivore.

    Fantastic and difficult to hear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spopepro View Post
    I might also gently remind everyone here that you are neither the target, nor the problem. By all means, eat better, and take good care of yourselves and don't feed the industry, but our obesity/food issues are not being played out among cycling enthusiasts (and I dare say, middle aged, middle class white males).
    I would heartily disagree with this, except maybe if you change "cycling enthusiasts" to "bike racers." That's not to say that cyclists aren't fitter on average than the general population, but I can't believe you've never seen overweight middle-aged cyclists. That, and the nature of endurance sport is such that you have guys eating poorly but staying quite thin.

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